Your Body Is the Scoreboard

From Heart to Brain: The Neuroscience Behind Connection and Calm

Welcome back to Taste of Truth Tuesdays, where we maintain our curiosity, embrace skepticism, and never stop asking what’s really going on beneath the surface. Last week, I prepared you for this episode, so if you missed out, please check it out! It’s short and sweet.

Now, for today’s episode….

Let me ask you something:

Why does your body feel like it’s on high alert… even when nothing “bad” is happening?
Why do you either trust too quickly or not at all and end up anxious, burned out, and ashamed?
Why is it so damn hard to regulate your emotions, especially when you’re great at controlling everything else?

If those questions hit a little too close to home… this episode is for you.

Last season, we dove deep into complex trauma through Pete Walker’s From Surviving to Thriving, unpacking how childhood neglect, emotional abuse, and developmental trauma shape adult patterns.

And today? We’re going even deeper — through the lens of neuroscience.

Because what if these aren’t personality quirks or moral failings? What if your brain and body are actually doing their best to protect you, using adaptations wired by Complex PTSD?

My guest today is Cody Isabel | Neuroscience, a neuroscience researcher and writer whose work has become a game-changer in trauma conversations. He holds a degree in Cognitive Behavioral Neuroscience, has training in Internal Family Systems psychotherapy, and specializes in the emerging field of Psychoneuroimmunology — the study of how your thoughts, brain, and immune system interact.

His Substack article, “PTSD & Complex PTSD Are NOT the Same Thing,” has been one of the clearest, most validating reads on this topic I’ve found.

So, if you’ve ever felt stuck, shut down, reactive, misunderstood, or like your nervous system has a mind of its own…. stay with me.

Because today we’re not just talking trauma.
We’re talking nervous system intelligence.
We’re talking identity repair.
We’re talking real, embodied healing.

And before we get into that, I want to bring a few threads together from past episodes—because they’re all woven into this conversation.

We’ve talked about fawning, the lesser-known trauma response that shows up as chronic people-pleasing, self-abandonment, and conflict avoidance—especially common in those who’ve survived high-control environments. In this episode with Theresa, we also explore the stress cycle. According to Selye’s General Adaptation Syndrome, your body moves through three stages when facing ongoing stress: Alarm, Resistance, and eventually, Exhaustion. And fawning, while behavioral, can easily become your nervous system’s go-to tactic—especially during prolonged stress or in the presence of power dynamics that feel threatening.

We have talked about the Emotional Hijack and how trauma impacts the brain in this episode.

We’ve also referenced the vagus nerve, but not specifically Polyvagal Theory—but today, we’re going deeper. Instead of seeing your stress responses as “malfunctions,” it reframes them as adaptive survival strategies. Your nervous system isn’t betraying you—it’s trying to protect you. It’s just working off old wiring.

Think of it like this:

Your nervous system is constantly scanning for cues of safety or threat—this is called neuroception. And based on what it detects, your body shifts into different states—each with a biological purpose.

The Polyvagal Chart breaks this down into three major states:

1. 🟢 Ventral Vagal – Social Engagement (Safety)

This is your “rest-and-connect” zone. You feel grounded, calm, curious, and open. You can be present with yourself and with others. Your body prioritizes digestion, immune function, and bonding hormones like oxytocin. You’re regulated.

This is the state we’re meant to live in most of the time—but trauma, chronic stress, or inconsistent caregiving can knock us out of it.

2. 🟡 Sympathetic – Fight or Flight (Danger)

When your system detects danger, it flips into high alert. Blood rushes to your limbs, your heart races, your digestion shuts down. You either fight (rage, irritation) or flee (anxiety, panic). This is survival mode. It’s not rational—it’s reactive.

And if that still doesn’t resolve the threat?

3. 🔴 Dorsal Vagal – Freeze (Life Threat)

This is the deepest shutdown. Your system says: “This is too much. I can’t.” You go numb. You collapse. You may dissociate, feel hopeless, or emotionally flatline. It’s not weakness—it’s your nervous system pulling the emergency brake to conserve energy and protect you.

Here’s what’s crucial to understand: these responses aren’t choices. They’re biological defaults. And many of us are stuck in loops of fight, flight, or freeze because our systems never got a chance to complete the stress cycle and return to safety.

So instead of shaming yourself for overreacting or shutting down, what if you asked:

“What is my nervous system trying to do for me right now?”
“What does it need to feel safe again?”

That shift—from judgment to curiosity—is the beginning of healing.

And we’ll connect this to another major thread—attachment systems, which we haven’t unpacked in depth yet, but absolutely need to.

Your attachment system is the biological and psychological mechanism that drives you to seek safety, closeness, and emotional connection—especially when you’re under stress. It develops in early childhood through repeated interactions with your caregivers, shaping how you regulate your emotions, perceive threats, and relate to others. If those caregivers were emotionally attuned, predictable, and responsive, you likely formed a secure attachment. But if they were inconsistent, neglectful, controlling, or chaotic… your attachment system learned to adapt in ways that may have kept you safe then—but cost you connection now.

In The Happiness Hypothesis, Jonathan Haidt points to a disturbing moment in psychological history that disrupted the natural development of secure attachment: the rise of behaviorism in the early 20th century.

John B. Watson, a founding figure of behaviorism, famously applied the same rigid, mechanistic principles he used on rats to raising human children. In his 1928 bestseller The Psychological Care of Infant and Child, he urged parents not to kiss their children, not to comfort them when they cried, and to withhold affection—believing emotional bonding would produce weak, dependent adults.

By the mid-20th century, attachment theory began to challenge these behaviorist claims. John Bowlby, in the 1950s, argued that infants form emotional bonds with caregivers as an innate survival mechanism—not merely as conditioned responses to rewards, as behaviorism suggested. His work, drawing from ethology, psychoanalysis, and control systems theory, moved beyond behaviorism’s narrow stimulus-response framework. Mary Ainsworth’s empirical research in the 1960s and ’70s, through her Strange Situation study, confirmed that attachment styles stem from caregiver sensitivity and infant security needs, rather than simple conditioning.

Yet, ironically, during the 1970s and ’80s, Christian parenting teachings—particularly those popularized by figures like Dobson—adopted and amplified the very behaviorist ideas that attachment research was already disproving. These teachings emphasized strict discipline and emotional control, often citing Scripture to justify practices rooted in outdated psychological theories rather than theology.

Let that sink in.

For decades, dominant parenting advice discouraged emotional responsiveness, treating affection not as a necessity but as a liability.

This wasn’t just bad advice—it was the psychological equivalent of nutritional starvation. Instead of missing vitamins, children missed attunement, safety, and connection. As attachment research has since shown, those early emotional experiences shape nervous system development, stress regulation, and whether someone grows up trusting or fearing closeness.

So, when we talk about stress responses like fawning… or chronic over-functioning… or emotional dysregulation… we’re often seeing the adult expression of a nervous system that never learned what safety feels like in the presence of other people.

And that’s why today’s conversation matters. Because healing isn’t just about rewiring thought patterns. It’s about rebuilding your felt sense of safety—in your body, in your relationships, and in your life.

And if you are anything like me and have found yourself wondering… why your nervous system reacts the way it does… or why regulating your emotions feels impossible even when you “know better” … this episode will connect the dots in ways that are both validating and eye-opening.

We’re talking trauma, identity, neuroplasticity, stress, survival, and what it really means to come home to yourself.

The topics we explore:

  • The critical differences between PTSD and Complex PTSD — and how each impacts the brain and body
  • Why CPTSD isn’t just a fear response, but a full-body survival adaptation that reshapes your identity
  • What it means to heal “from the bottom up,” and why insight alone isn’t enough
  • How books and language can validate our experience — without replacing the need for somatic work
  • The push-pull of relational safety: why CPTSD makes connection feel risky, even when we crave it
  • How trauma affects the Default Mode Network, and why healing often feels like rediscovering who you are

Whether you’re navigating relational triggers, spiritual disorientation, or the long road of recovery, this conversation offers clarity, compassion, and a grounded path forward.

Please enjoy the interview!

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LINKS:

Check out Cody’s work! About – The Mind, Brain, Body Digest

The Top 5 Childhood Core Wounds in Overachievers 🧠

No Bad Parts | IFS Institute | Schwartz

Transcending Trauma Healing Complex PTSD with Internal Family Systems Therapy

Brain Fog, Thyroid Health, and Gut Connection: Insights from an Integrative Dietitian

Ever felt like your brain’s on vacation while your body’s still clocking in? 🧠✨ Join us as Nicole unveils the secrets behind thyroid health, brain fog, and why carbs might just be your new best friend!

🔍 From Autoimmune Shock to Holistic Advocate: Nicole shares her journey from being blindsided by an autoimmune diagnosis to questioning mainstream diet culture and diving into functional medicine. Find out what sparked her transformation into an advocate for individualized nutrition and holistic health!

💡 Thyroid Health Unveiled: Thyroid dysfunction can be a mystery wrapped in an enigma! Nicole explains why thyroid hormones are key to overall health and how her unique approach, including The BRAIN Method, differs from traditional treatments. Discover how she tackles symptoms and optimizes thyroid function!

🧠 Decoding Brain Fog: Ever felt like your brain is stuck in a fog? Nicole breaks down the most common culprits of brain fog and offers tips on how women can pinpoint their own triggers. Say goodbye to mental sluggishness and hello to clarity!

🌱 Gut Health & Thyroid Function: Did you know your gut health has a major impact on your thyroid? Nicole dives into how imbalances in your gut can affect thyroid hormone production and utilization. Learn how addressing gut health can boost your thyroid function!

🍞 Carbs & Hypothyroidism: Carbs might be getting a bad rap, but Nicole explains why they’re actually essential for those with hypothyroidism. Discover how including carbs in your diet can support thyroid function and enhance overall well-being.

Listen here!

Mentioned in the interview:

⁠MEET YOUR THYROID⁠

⁠BRAIN METHOD⁠

⁠Why Nicole added HTMA (hair tissue analysis) to her practice â 

⁠Which comes first? Gut dysfunction or Thyroid dysfunction? â 

⁠Could your gut be creating roadblocks in your Thyroid Hormone Journey? â 

⁠Why you need carbs especially if you have hypothyroidism⁠

⁠Home – New – Chews Food Wisely⁠

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Diabolical Trinity: Healing Religious Trauma from a Wrathful God, Tormenting Hell and Sinful Self

🌟 🎙️Welcome back, Get ready for a mind-expanding journey in this week’s episode! 🌟🎙️ We’re sitting down with Dr. Mark Gregory Karris to explore the twists and turns of his diverse professional journey and how it shapes his approach to tackling religious trauma.

 đŸŽ˘ From deconstructing faith dynamics to navigating life after leaving religious traditions, Dr. Karris dishes out practical steps and deep insights like a pro. 📚 We dive into his latest book ‘Diabolical Trinity’ where he takes on the big questions—like transforming a wrathful God into a compassionate one and the impact of religious experiences on mental health. 🕊️ 

Join us as we uncover the power of community and holistic healing in this can’t-miss conversation! 🌈

Dr. Mark Karris is an experienced therapist with a rich and diverse background. He began his career working with adolescents and the severely mentally ill at Mental Health of Rockland County. In San Diego, he specialized in Emotionally Focused Couple’s Therapy under renowned mentors Kathryn de Bruin and Lisa Palmer Olson. He also spent three years in Japan, providing therapy on a military base and conducting international workshops for the Red Cross. He is now an adjunct professor at Point Loma Nazarene University. His educational background includes a Bachelor of Science in Psychology, a Master of Counseling, a Master of Divinity, and a PsyD with an emphasis in Marriage and Family Therapy.

Dr. Karris combines his extensive professional training with personal experiences of life’s ups and downs, making him uniquely equipped to guide his clients through their own journeys of healing and restoration.

He has authored several books that focus on topics related to spirituality, therapy, and personal growth. Some of his notable works include:

  1. “Divine Echoes: Reconciling Prayer with the Un-controlling Love of God” – This work explores the nature of prayer and God’s love, offering a fresh perspective on the power and purpose of prayer.
  2. “Season of Heartbreak: Healing for the Heart, Brain, and Soul” – In this book, Dr. Karris provides insights and strategies for healing from emotional and relational pain, drawing from his extensive experience as a therapist.
  3. “Diabolical Trinity: Healing Religious Trauma from a Wrathful God, Tormenting Hell and Sinful Self”

The interview begins with Dr. Mark sharing more about his own personal life and spiritual experiences that led him to be where he is today.

In his groundbreaking research, Dr. Mark Karris unveils the intricate layers of religious deconstruction through a lens of empathy and rigorous academic inquiry. His qualitative findings published in Clinical Pastoral Education challenge conventional evangelical narratives that attribute deconstruction solely to moral lapses or spiritual deception. Instead, Dr. Karris illuminates the diverse and often deeply personal reasons individuals undergo this transformative journey, shedding light on the complex interplay of faith, identity, and personal growth.

Here are some key insights from his study:

  1. Doctrinal and Theological Concerns: Many individuals experience faith deconstruction due to conflicts or doubts about core religious doctrines and beliefs. This can include questioning the validity of certain theological teachings or interpretations.
  2. Personal and Emotional Trauma: Religious trauma, stemming from negative experiences within religious contexts such as abuse, judgment, or oppression, often triggers a process of deconstruction as individuals seek healing and distance from harmful environments.
  3. Cultural and Social Factors: Changes in societal norms and cultural shifts can prompt individuals to reevaluate their religious beliefs and practices. This includes broader movements towards inclusivity, social justice, and equality that may conflict with traditional religious teachings.
  4. Intellectual Exploration: Increased access to diverse perspectives and information through the internet and education encourages critical thinking and exploration of alternative worldviews, leading to questioning of previously held religious beliefs.
  5. Existential and Spiritual Quests: Many people undergo faith deconstruction as part of a personal journey towards deeper existential meaning, spiritual growth, and authenticity. This involves exploring new spiritual paths or embracing a more flexible and inclusive understanding of spirituality.

Dr. Mark Karris’s shares a personal anecdote about encountering legalistic beliefs at a wedding highlights a broader issue within certain Christian traditions where behaviors are scrutinized through the lens of a wrathful God and the threat of hellfire. This theological framework often centers around doctrines like Original Sin, which have shaped Christian thought but are not universally accepted across all Christian denominations.

History and Evolution of Doctrine

1. Original Sin: The concept of Original Sin traces its roots to early Christian theologians such as Augustine of Hippo in the 5th century. Augustine argued that all humans inherit a sinful nature from Adam and Eve’s disobedience in the Garden of Eden, leading to a state of inherent moral corruption and separation from God.

2. Wrathful God: Throughout history, various Christian theologians and denominations have grappled with the portrayal of God as wrathful and vengeful, often emphasizing divine justice and punishment for sin. This perspective has been influential in shaping religious practices and beliefs, contributing to fears of divine judgment.

3. Hellfire and Eternal Damnation: The concept of hell as a place of eternal punishment for sinners is deeply embedded in Christian teachings, particularly in traditions emphasizing the consequences of disobedience to God’s will. This belief has profound psychological and emotional impacts, instilling fear and guilt among believers.

Critiques and Controversies

1. Cultural and Interpretive Differences: Not all Christian traditions adhere to the doctrines of Original Sin, a wrathful God, and eternal damnation in the same way. Some denominations interpret these concepts metaphorically or emphasize God’s love and mercy over punitive justice.

2. Psychological Effects: The emphasis on sin, guilt, and punishment can lead to harmful psychological effects, such as low self-esteem, anxiety, and religious trauma, especially when coupled with authoritarian interpretations that dictate strict moral codes and behaviors.

Diversity of Interpretations and Doctrines Within Christianity

Dr. Karris helps me challenge the claims of Clarity and Divine Truth. Here’s a breakdown of this issue:

  1. Diversity of Interpretations: The existence of over 45,000 Christian denominations worldwide reflects a wide range of doctrinal interpretations, from reformed traditions to Pentecostal beliefs. Each denomination asserts that their understanding of the Bible is correct and aligned with God’s truth. However, the diversity and sometimes contradictory nature of these interpretations suggest that clarity in biblical understanding is not as straightforward as proclaimed.
  2. Reasons for Diversity: The diversity in interpretations stems from a variety of factors:
    • Cultural and Historical Contexts: Different denominations interpret biblical texts through the lens of their cultural and historical contexts, which can lead to varied understandings.
    • Theological Emphases: Emphasis on different theological doctrines (such as salvation, baptism, worship practices) can shape how scriptures are interpreted.
    • Hermeneutical Approaches: Variations in interpretive methods (literal vs. allegorical, contextual vs. universal application) contribute to divergent doctrinal beliefs.
    • Human Fallibility: Interpretations are influenced by human limitations, biases, and subjective interpretations of scripture.
  3. Implications for Biblical Inerrancy and Infallibility: The existence of diverse and conflicting interpretations challenges the notions of biblical inerrancy (the belief that the Bible is without error in all matters) and infallibility (the belief that the Bible is incapable of error in matters of faith and practice). If the Bible were truly clear and unambiguous in its teachings, one might expect a greater consensus among denominations. However, the wide array of interpretations suggests that human understanding and cultural influences significantly shape biblical interpretation.
  4. Critical Assessment: Dr. Karris’s critique invites Christians to critically assess claims of absolute doctrinal clarity and instead recognize the complex and nuanced nature of biblical interpretation. It encourages humility in acknowledging the limitations of human understanding and the importance of dialogue and openness to diverse perspectives within Christian discourse.

The diversity of interpretations among Christian denominations challenges the notion of a singular, clear, and error-free interpretation of the Bible, thereby questioning traditional claims of biblical inerrancy and infallibility. Understanding and grappling with this diversity can foster deeper theological reflection and dialogue within the Christian community.

Navigating Anxiety in Fundamentalist Christian Circles During Deconstruction

People entrenched in fundamentalist sects of Christianity often experience heightened anxiety when they witness others going through a process of deconstruction. This reaction stems from their upbringing, where they were taught that deviation from established beliefs and practices is not only wrong but potentially dangerous. In fundamentalist environments, any departure from the accepted norms can be perceived as a threat to one’s faith, community, and even personal safety.

This anxiety is compounded by the fear that questioning or exploring alternative beliefs may lead to spiritual and moral peril. Fundamentalist teachings often instill a rigid worldview where conformity is equated with spiritual safety, and deviation is seen as a sign of weakness or susceptibility to worldly influences.

Moreover, the concept of narcissistic rage can be observed in some cases, where individuals deeply embedded in fundamentalist ideologies react with hostility or aggression towards those who challenge or question their beliefs. This reaction is different from a healthy spiritual practice, which encourages openness, curiosity, and respectful dialogue about different perspectives.

Navigating these dynamics requires empathy and understanding from both sides. Those undergoing deconstruction seek to reconcile their evolving beliefs with their personal experiences and spiritual growth, while those in fundamentalist circles may benefit from recognizing that diversity of belief does not necessarily threaten their own faith or spiritual well-being. Here’s how this dynamic unfolds:

  1. Fear of Deviation: Fundamentalist teachings often emphasize a strict adherence to doctrinal purity and established beliefs. Any questioning or deviation from these beliefs is viewed as a threat to faith and spiritual safety.
  2. Cognitive Dissonance: Witnessing others deconstructing their faith can trigger cognitive dissonance among fundamentalists. It challenges their worldview and belief system, leading to discomfort and anxiety.
  3. Fear of Consequences: Fundamentalist teachings may instill fear regarding the consequences of exploring different beliefs or questioning established doctrines. There’s a pervasive belief that straying from the accepted path could lead to spiritual peril or loss of salvation.
  4. Sense of Identity Threat: For individuals deeply embedded in fundamentalist communities, their identity and sense of belonging are closely tied to doctrinal conformity. Deconstruction challenges this identity, causing emotional distress and anxiety.
  5. Social Pressure: Fundamentalist communities often exert strong social pressure to conform to group norms and beliefs. The prospect of others deconstructing their faith can create social anxiety and a fear of ostracization or judgment from peers and leaders.

In essence, the anxiety experienced by individuals in fundamentalist sects when encountering deconstruction reflects deep-seated beliefs and teachings that equate divergence from established doctrines with spiritual peril. This anxiety underscores the psychological and emotional challenges inherent in questioning and evolving one’s faith within such contexts. Encouraging open dialogue and mutual respect can foster a healthier approach to spiritual exploration and community dynamics.

Challenges Faced by Religious Refugees

In his book Religious Refugees, Dr. Mark Gregory Karris explores the profound journey of individuals who have chosen to leave behind their religious traditions. He examines the challenges faced by these “religious refugees,” which include:

  1. Loss of Community and Identity: Leaving a religious tradition often means departing from a community that has provided identity, belonging, and social support. This loss can lead to feelings of isolation and disorientation.
  2. Existential Uncertainty: Departing from familiar religious beliefs can provoke profound existential questions about purpose, meaning, and the nature of existence. This existential uncertainty can be unsettling and challenging to navigate.
  3. Family and Social Rejection: Religious refugees may face rejection or judgment from family members, friends, or broader social circles who adhere to the traditional religious beliefs from which they departed. This can strain relationships and create emotional distress.
  4. Psychological Impact: The process of leaving a religious tradition can evoke emotional turmoil, including guilt, fear, grief, and confusion. Individuals may grapple with reconciling their past beliefs with new perspectives.
  5. Navigating New Belief Systems: After leaving a religious tradition, individuals often embark on a journey of exploring new belief systems or philosophical frameworks. This process requires openness, intellectual curiosity, and a willingness to challenge prior assumptions.

“Another wave of rejection surfaced when people either shamed us for not being in church or stopped talking to us all together. It left me wondering whether I was truly accepted by God–his people surely weren’t making me feel that way, except when I did what they wanted me to do” -Karl Forehand Out into the Desert

I’ve often expressed that becoming a Christian is one of my biggest regrets due to the intense religious harm I experienced. From my perspective, deconstructing from Original Sin, a wrathful God and Eternal damnation have been the most impactful. This trinity consists of toxic theology, abusive practices, and authoritarian leadership. These elements work together to create environments that are spiritually and psychologically harmful.

Doctrines such as original sin & eternal damnation can instill fear and guilt, while abusive practices and authoritarian leadership stifle personal autonomy and foster dependency.

The combination of these factors can lead to profound emotional and spiritual damage, manifesting as Religious Trauma Syndrome (RTS).

  • Some symptoms of religious trauma include:
  • Compulsive perfectionism
  • Faith crisis or becoming disillusioned with spirituality
  • Self-hatred or compromised self-worth
  • Constant feelings of shame or guilt
  • Hypervigilance
  • A distinct lack of boundaries between personal life and religious

Religious trauma can cause, contribute to, or otherwise worsen mental health disorders, including posttraumatic stress disorder (PTSD), depression, and anxiety.

Some steps in the recovery process include:
1️⃣Finding a trusted confidant with whom you can be honest and share your feelings

2️⃣Psychodynamic therapy or counseling, where individuals can explore their past religious experiences, learn to express painful emotions, challenge ingrained beliefs, and develop healthier coping mechanisms.

In Conclusion

Modern theologians and Christian thinkers have proposed alternative interpretations of sin, emphasizing human dignity, moral responsibility, and the transformative power of grace. These perspectives aim to promote a more compassionate and inclusive understanding of faith that supports mental and emotional well-being.

Dr. Karris’s reflection on the intertwined doctrines of a wrathful God, Original Sin, and eternal punishment underscores the complexity and diversity within Christian theology. By questioning and critiquing these doctrines, he invites dialogue on how theological beliefs impact individuals’ spiritual journeys and mental health. Recognizing the historical context and evolving interpretations of these doctrines is essential for fostering a more compassionate and supportive religious environment that promotes healing and personal growth.

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